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Jesse - Msg M: Guest chat off Jesse - Msg M: Before the interview begins Jesse - Msg M: All users should know that you are allowed to ask PeonBoss questions. Jesse - Msg M: If you have questions, msg them to me. After the interview I will be asking them in the chat. PeonBoss: and i will try to answer most-all Jesse - Msg M: :) PeonBoss: First off let me say... And I will repeat it later.. I have a sprained wrist and cant type worth a crap.. And my typing wasn't good to begin with.. so....Please excuse any horrible spelling, punctuation and so forth.. And remember.. you only have to read it once.. My seceratary deals with it every day. Oli - Reprisa: we all excuse you Jesse - Msg M: Welcome To The NineWire Productions I-Online Second Interview. Oli - Reprisa: heh PeonBoss: sorry fo r the hold up all.. we were trying to get powerbot to link to an other server Oli - Reprisa: We excuse you Oli - Reprisa: ok, i shut up now Jesse - Msg M: Let us finish last minute preperations before we begin PeonBoss: btw while i have a sec.. some great icons showing Oli - Reprisa: hehe Jesse - Msg M: Ok Jesse - Msg M: Here we go Oli - Reprisa: go for it Jesse - Msg M: :) Jesse - Msg M: Welcome to Interviews Online's (http://I-Online.ninewire.com) Second Interview. Interviews Online is dedicated to providing the Macintosh community valuable interviews with top mac figures. We would like to thank PeonBoss for showing up tonight. Jesse - Msg M: All the SSM regulars would like to say that "They are sorry about the baby and we hope you all good luck." PeonBoss: Thanks.. it has been a hard few weeks PeonBoss: loosing it at the last minute was hard PeonBoss: SHE has seen all the emails people have sent, and cries whena new one omes in PeonBoss: so from both HER and me.. Thanks Jesse - Msg M: NineWire would like also like to say that we are sorry. Jesse - Msg M: Ok Jesse - Msg M: Now we will be beginning. Jesse - Msg M: First Question: Jesse - Msg M: Can you explain us what is SSM and what it does. PeonBoss: well PeonBoss: SSM is a group of people who chat, work on problems, and have fun PeonBoss: we also run the tracker and Official Icon list.. PeonBoss: ask me how we started out. Jesse - Msg M: How did SoSueMe start out? PeonBoss: SoSueME started out long ago as the first cable server on Hotline.. I know this cause I Was the 22Õnd person to get cable. Was just lucky to be in the first test area. SoSueME was actually 2 servers and we finally merged into 1. And yes for all the people who ask we were a warez server. Probably the largest so far, But I got sick of having to worry about it, and I never really used warez, so we stopped. I am a big fan of trying software before you buy it, But I also ethically believe the programmers deserve to be paid. And I like books.. I guess I am weird that way so I tend to buy my software. PeonBoss: can you tell i wrote a few before hand... HAHAHA Jesse - Msg M: How long has SSM been up? PeonBoss: Ssm has been around a long long time.. Cant really tell ya how long. Um i think it first started about nov 96 or so. Oli's Bot: PowerBot - Ready Jesse - Msg M: How's it feel to be head honcho of one of the largest servers on Hotline? PeonBoss: Sometimes it is a real pain. People assume I do nothing but watch chat.. Or worse want to talk to them.. I am usually to busy.. Most of the time I do see it if i look, but thats cause I keep a client up on the side of my desk. Its fun to surprise people and show up now and then. But I don't spend a portion of the time on SSM now like I used to. PeonBoss: The worse part is makeing accounts and day to day stuff PeonBoss: I just plain dont have the time.. That is why we made the ssm accoutn bot PeonBoss: Since we give accounts to anyone with an email address who can read PeonBoss: we still are overwhelmed.. PeonBoss: for example.. in the last month PeonBoss: ssm has had 1567 account requests PeonBoss: of wich 1345 actually read well enough to get an account Jesse - Msg M: What made you start the icon list? PeonBoss: I didnÕt start it. The icon list was first compiled by Jack Handy. A good friend and tenant of mine. We started the list because at the time even though there were 8-9 good lists out.. there was no conformity.. And worse most only allowed friends to add icons. So Jack got mad and combined them all and we ran with it. Jesse - Msg M: Did you start it alone or with help, if with help, who? PeonBoss: um read up.. hehe Jesse - Msg M: :) PeonBoss: I should say PeonBoss: that i dont do the list anymore really Jesse - Msg M: Who does? PeonBoss: It has been done mostly by tre Cool PeonBoss: I still help PeonBoss: and do the read me and stuff. And the small stuff PeonBoss: I also check it over to make sure we catch mistakes... Jesse - Msg M: Was the list your only project? PeonBoss: yea basically PeonBoss: we have done alot of stuff.. Jesse - Msg M: Did things goes as planned? PeonBoss: at the time the tracker was takeing up most of my energy PeonBoss: wait.. PeonBoss: hehe PeonBoss: back then remember there was only one tracker PeonBoss: and the software , um, sucked PeonBoss: it was designed for 50-100 servers on a tracker PeonBoss: and tracked had 2000.. it was very bugy and had to be nursed along Jesse - Msg M: Did things goes as planned? PeonBoss: heck no PeonBoss: We were asked a few months later by Jr to be the official list. And that was a real pain.. They gave us a set list of doÕs and donts.. and what numbering and sizes and so forth.. And we still follow those rules today. The biggest misconception is that we make the icons.. We don't. I am not a graphic artist.. YOU the users of hotline make them and submit them.. We just compile them into a set format.That is what sets the Official list apart.. PeonBoss: and probibly allways will Jesse - Msg M: Were you expecting such popularity? PeonBoss: Well yes and no PeonBoss: at the start we spamed it alot.. I allways liked the idea of ONE list PeonBoss: run by a group. so ther ewas no bias.. that everyone could see PeonBoss: to this day... it drives me nuts when i cant see an icon PeonBoss: and when HL asked me to do the icons for 1.5 PeonBoss: i cleaned them up alot and made them fit in better Jesse - Msg M: Do you have any plan for the future of SoSueMe? PeonBoss: not really.. we kinda go day by day PeonBoss: I just cant commit the time to it anymore PeonBoss: I am runnign 2 companies and the web one is takeing up way more of my time PeonBoss: I was also steping back abit in expatation of the baby and trying to be home before 11 pm once in a while Jesse - Msg M: What do you think of other lists like Bad Moon? PeonBoss: I have lots to say about Bad Moon.. And most of it I canÕt. Bad moon was created by people we kicked off SSM. And not just because we didn't like, no it was for sexual harassment of female members and constant banning and trashing of account with out justification. The worse thing is a few of the kids who had real potential went to, It is allway easier to behave badly than not, And some were to tempted I guess. PeonBoss: The crap we have taken from bad moon is incredible.. They crash us, Attack us, slander us, hack us (or try)...Frankly i don't go there, and don't even look at there list anymore.. It's always the same file size as ours with 1/2 the icons.. and alot are sick. People are free to choose icons and stuff i think.. The fact that the icon server still gets 500+ downloads a week tells me its used by far the most. PeonBoss: SO we just smile as they attack and try not to let it bother us PeonBoss: someday they will go to far and i will take care of them.. but there is no point PeonBoss: better the enemy you know and all that Jesse - Msg M: Do you expect more lists to come in the future? PeonBoss: You can not creat a list for the pc with out special tools. We were give them exclusively but bad moon stole them from hotline or the developer, or something and have them also.. With out them you just cant do it. And an icon list is a royal pain. The official list still take 10-20 hours a month to compile. PeonBoss: so a mac list could be done.. but i doubt a pc. PeonBoss: and really ther eis no point.. Most people just combine the 2 lista and go with it PeonBoss: after 3-4 tries we finally got badmoon to realise it was in ther own interest to not overlap 's Jesse - Msg M: How long have you been on Hotline? PeonBoss: oh and btw. thats the end of my typed already responsec Oli - Reprisa: heh PeonBoss: so now you have to wait for em.. Sorry PeonBoss: um.. hell for a long long time.. PeonBoss: back when ther ewas a new beta daily at times PeonBoss: I am proud of some of the things ssm has done to imporve hotline though Jesse - Msg M: What computer(s) do you use? PeonBoss: HAHAH PeonBoss: well.. there are hmmm PeonBoss: 6 withing reach now Jesse - Msg M: :) Oli - Reprisa: heh PeonBoss: but i spend most of my time on a 9500 with 16 gig raid and loads of ram and multi mons.. I hate only haveing one monitor now.. Im spoiled PeonBoss: I do play on linuz a bit and lord save me even 98 PeonBoss: we have upwards of 90 odd comps her ein the office PeonBoss: and right now we are slowly baking.. we have so many that the heat they generate PeonBoss: is more than a ac unit will produce.. PeonBoss: we are kinda cramped in to an office 2 sizes to small.. and even though PeonBoss: the new office is built and ready.. we are waiting till they can transfre the t1 lines all at once.. rather than one at a time PeonBoss: so a few more weeks and i wont feel like im in a suna.. Jesse - Msg M: What do you think of the Y2K bug? Its severity, etc. . . PeonBoss: hehhe Jesse - Msg M: :) PeonBoss: had a customer call the other day PeonBoss: worried about her se PeonBoss: i explained mac dont have a y2k prob.. except real old ones like hers, which have a 2012 prob PeonBoss: so she got worried about what to do then.. PeonBoss: and i told her if she was still useing a b/w se with 4 ram in 2012 she was crazy PeonBoss: and it prob would not be the least of her probs PeonBoss: as to the rest of the world (non mac) PeonBoss: screw em.. buy macs.. PeonBoss: hehe PeonBoss: I am an apple dealer.. I think i have to say that Oli - Reprisa: hehe PeonBoss: no i dont think the world will end, but if it does i still ahve more guns than years.. so it will be fun Jesse - Msg M: What do you think of Microsoft evil empire and have you hard about the GUID that is in there programs? PeonBoss: well Jesse - Msg M: heard PeonBoss: i was so amused at the program on tnt last weeek PeonBoss: pirets os silicon vally PeonBoss: gates must have burst a bloob vessel.. hehe Jesse - Msg M: :) Oli - Reprisa: i missed it... damnit PeonBoss: and dont correct your spelling or ill start doing mine Jesse - Msg M: ok Jesse - Msg M: :) PeonBoss: i recomend you watch it.. a almost relaistic portrail Oli - Reprisa: can i still watch it? PeonBoss: I have lost of custmers who are pc based PeonBoss: and i have to say.. dont blame me.. call microsoft daily PeonBoss: i dont use microsoft programs for the mac PeonBoss: and only have one of my 20 or so pc's with windoze on it PeonBoss: but to all ther eown.. I dont like bloatware.. and if it seams you have to use microsoft to find a job PeonBoss: then you are not looking at inteligent companies PeonBoss: and to make this clear.. I dont have a prob with pc's just bloatware.. like um PeonBoss: everything since flight simulater Jesse - Msg M: What do you think of Hotline's clone? PeonBoss: which one? PeonBoss: or all?? Oli - Reprisa: all Jesse - Msg M: all PeonBoss: hmm Jesse - Msg M: Just what is your general opionion. PeonBoss: well i crack up at carracho PeonBoss: and i have to say,.. in fact let me publicly say it PeonBoss: HEY BAD MOON.. YO ULIKE IT SO MUCH.. GO THERE AND HAVE FUN PeonBoss: i dont use and clones except for linux PeonBoss: i dont feel the need... I am allso a resseller of hl.. PeonBoss: um so i might be a tad bias Jesse - Msg M: :) PeonBoss: but if you like carracho PeonBoss: go have fun.. i think there are about 30 servers on it PeonBoss: um and how many on tracker? 800?? PeonBoss: on tracked... PeonBoss: anyways. some of the realbasic stuff is nice PeonBoss: virtual ftp has done some great work.. but i like the original ap. Jesse - Msg M: What do you think of Hotline 1.5? PeonBoss: well.... PeonBoss: love it to apoint.. banners kinda suck PeonBoss: wish they would make it so you can turn em off.. but havnt seen it yet.. I am also a hl beta tester btw PeonBoss: other than the banners they seem to be trying to make peple happy PeonBoss: and thats nice.. but also i am sick of the complaints. PeonBoss: people didnt want to buy it.. so they made it free.. now all of us who own 10+ copies have to see the banners too PeonBoss: but thats ok.. you can still close the window.. and I am rarly tempted by crap on banners Jesse - Msg M: What are some of the best features of Hotline (1.2.3 or 1.5)? PeonBoss: turning off msgs.. PeonBoss: and the news PeonBoss: I really like the news.. but unfortuantly 68k still sucks.. PeonBoss: hehe PeonBoss: i like the sub chat developing btw... PeonBoss: I had 2 clients loged in and i got invited.. hehe PeonBoss: anyways PeonBoss: news is great, and custom news for guests is nice also PeonBoss: broadcast comes in darn handy at times.. and all in all its a good app. Jesse - Msg M: What do you think of Adam Hinks issues? PeonBoss: dont PeonBoss: heh PeonBoss: okokok PeonBoss: hmmm let me put it this way PeonBoss: when someone hands you a contract PeonBoss: you are expected to read it PeonBoss: if you dont, it really sucks to be you PeonBoss: to my knowledge and i admit i dont pay alot of attention PeonBoss: adam decided he didnt like it anymore and tried to leave.. PeonBoss: well, thats why its in writing see.. so you know your options before hand. PeonBoss: what i get amused the most over is the SAVE ADAM crusade PeonBoss: he dosnt need saveing.. try teaching PeonBoss: damn it hold on a sec PeonBoss: grendle stole my lighter Oli - Reprisa: heh Jesse - Msg M: :) PeonBoss: ok abck PeonBoss: um.. PeonBoss: nothing much more comes to mind.. and thats scary too.. PeonBoss: people.. most of yo udont know the facts.. so why assume the "big bad corp" is at fault.. PeonBoss: the really great thing about a contract is its black and white PeonBoss: on paper.. see.. so you can allways refer to it.. PeonBoss: Ok enopugh preaching.. but as we end this thread PeonBoss: if ya think adam is god.. great, i like his work too.. but that dosnt excuse him from being a dumbass at times Jesse - Msg M: What do you think of big servers going down? PeonBoss: hehe PeonBoss: well let me put it this way PeonBoss: 1. most are run illigally Jesse - Msg M: Were talking about Moria, BoffoMac, etc. . . PeonBoss: allmost every isp has an agreemant saying what you can and can not do PeonBoss: (contracts again). as to the legal ones who are sponsered by a co PeonBoss: i pay 1800 a month per t1 PeonBoss: a t1 is about 1.5 mbits PeonBoss: tracked at its hight was useign 6 mbits PeonBoss: complelty PeonBoss: not partially.. but totally PeonBoss: a big server uses bandwidth and its not free. PeonBoss: and some one has to pay for it. PeonBoss: thats why i think most big servers go down. It is a sahme Justin Mealey: ÁViva Le Revoluc”on! PeonBoss: I offered to host boffo PeonBoss: and was told they didnt want to continue.. PeonBoss: its alot of effort to runa big server PeonBoss: every other person is an idiot at times it seams PeonBoss: but then.. we get all the visits from badmoon.. why is it they have to come hang on ssm? but thats an other topic Jesse - Msg M: What about the warez, porn, mp3 issues? PeonBoss: well PeonBoss: i have turned off a number of servers who bugged me PeonBoss: as i said.. allmost all are not runnign with there isp's permision PeonBoss: its REALY simple to call and mention it PeonBoss: hey madmax.. congrads PeonBoss: fist person with out an icon PeonBoss: sorry.. PeonBoss: um. i dont feel a need for porn and stuff, warez though... PeonBoss: i like buying apps. i like books PeonBoss: but damn i have to admit its nice to find out a program is crap first PeonBoss: btw kicked cheese wiz Oli - Reprisa: good PeonBoss: sick of him inviting me to chats Oli - Reprisa: was about to do it PeonBoss: um. porn is bad kay, PeonBoss: warez is bad, kay Jesse - Msg M: What's your opinion on the GNU/Free Software issue? PeonBoss: good ? PeonBoss: i think linux is the greating thing since sliced toast and push up bra's PeonBoss: but that cause i love apache.. and a os that is tough PeonBoss: but i think it will sink or swim on its own merits.. PeonBoss: and anyways, fun to watch microsoft panic PeonBoss: brb,, need adrink.. 45 secs Oli - Reprisa: please enjoy the server while PeonBoss is away Jesse - Msg M: That concludes our set questions. Now we will open it up for the user fourm. I have collected a list of questions through out the interview and we will ask them now. (23 of em) PeonBoss: sigh.. here comes the fan mail Oli - Reprisa: heh Jesse - Msg M: :) Jesse - Msg M: Ok Jesse - Msg M: Here we go Jesse - Msg M: They keep cmming in 2 PeonBoss: hehe try reading my email for a day Jesse - Msg M: How did you become affiliated with the InterNet (bbs,user groups, etc)? PeonBoss: hmmm PeonBoss: good ? PeonBoss: i first got into computers with a sinclare PeonBoss: i was seriously yelled at by the fbi when i wa s, um 15 id say PeonBoss: for breaking into a bank.. hehe didnt do much, just posted a note saying they shouldnt give out there data number Oli - Reprisa: bouhaha PeonBoss: slowly palyed with bbs and stuff as they got popular.. but was never a big user PeonBoss: my um folks (dad) keept takeing an ax to my modem for some reason PeonBoss: prob the fbi showing up at the door during dinner,.. hehe Jesse - Msg M: ;) PeonBoss: but anyways.. just kinda went from there PeonBoss: i no longer program at all. PeonBoss: and since fortran is a tad out of style (so is pascal) PeonBoss: i gave it up for lent long ago. PeonBoss: Now i handle busnees side of stuff PeonBoss: and since i hav ethe artistic taletnt of a dead rat.. i stay out of that too PeonBoss: Ialso have other hobbies PeonBoss: I competivly shoot and am a ham radio operator PeonBoss: with my own repeater and so forth PeonBoss: oh and i read to much PeonBoss: when i have time that is. Jesse - Msg M: Do you have plans to eventually pass ssm along? PeonBoss: hmmm PeonBoss: nfc PeonBoss: depends on how busy i get PeonBoss: I keep it on a 2nd mon or spare comp (client that is) PeonBoss: so i only really do stuff when i have time.. And now the accunts dont have to be dealt with I only do stuff when there is a prob PeonBoss: but like grendel and GP i doubt ill ever get rid of it completly.. Nice to have one place stay constant to a point Jesse - Msg M: What was ssm north and ssm south? PeonBoss: well PeonBoss: when we stoped doing warez PeonBoss: we had, um.. .like PeonBoss: 64 gigs in hd, 24 cdrom drives and like 100 cdroms PeonBoss: and all was donated by users PeonBoss: or most at least PeonBoss: so we kept the warez on a private server for those we really liked.. but it got to be to mucjh of a pain. PeonBoss: so we had a cd burning party one night PeonBoss: the cd roms and hds were donated in SSM's name to a few local charities that were mac based.. PeonBoss: and I am fine.. ill keep answering till they run out or you get tired Jesse - No Mo: About what % of accounts actually COME reguraly? PeonBoss: well PeonBoss: i trashed all account son ssm like 2-3 months ago PeonBoss: for 2 reasons.. one. the frigging folder was HUGE PeonBoss: 2 to find out.. Since all the accounts since then were entered into a database.. (like 3k or so i think now) PeonBoss: i can email all the users and have them renew them automatically.. SSM has about 20-30 people on it most times PeonBoss: and people come and go all the time. the connect log gets over 5 megs if i forget to replace it monthly PeonBoss: and funny, simpletext wont open i then.. Jesse - Msg Y: Have you ever thought of completly giving up accounts? PeonBoss: yes and no PeonBoss: we did for a long time.. but now before you can get on the server PeonBoss: you actually have to read, or pretend to,, a list of crap we dont do. PeonBoss: and it weeds out a good hunk of the idiots PeonBoss: people still get supprised thuogh when they show up with there new account and loose it in 10 secs for asking for warez PeonBoss: And btw.. PeonBoss: even though i have 30-40 servers up.. most of the private PeonBoss: none are warez servers PeonBoss: i host servers for companies who use them for company work Jesse - Msg Y: Whats with Jack Handey, did he give up on Hotline and or SSM or is he just as busy as you are? PeonBoss: believe it or not he is worse PeonBoss: we tend to see each other every sunday PeonBoss: fopr about 2 mins.. not supprising PeonBoss: till you realise he live in my upstairs. PeonBoss: i usually am out of the house by 7:30 and back at 11 or so PeonBoss: jack runs about an hour behind me.. so we just dont cross paths PeonBoss: he is working like 3 jobs and runing his own company too, and we both tend to be workaholics.. PeonBoss: I believe.. hehe, cause he hasnt told me.. just HER that he is getting his own place in a few weeks.. And that is a shame.. though i cant say ill miss him caus eill probibly see him more PeonBoss: he actually called the office a few mins ago PeonBoss: and I him i was in a chat, he jsut has diff prioritys now Jesse - Msg Y: what happened when POPE started The Vatican and lured all the users away and all that? PeonBoss: ? lured? PeonBoss: HAHAH PeonBoss: sorry gren was reading over my shoulder and we both got agood laugh PeonBoss: um.. lured is a tad strong a word. heheh Jesse - Msg Y: :) Jesse - Msg Y: User Questions. PeonBoss: pope was and is an idiot PeonBoss: he put up a beta to 1.5 and a hack for it and wondered why i gfot mad PeonBoss: and basicall said no when i told him to get rid of it PeonBoss: so he is now back on aol PeonBoss: as i said.. 99% of isp's dont allow servers Jesse - Msg Y: what college did you go to and do you have a computer science degree? PeonBoss: no i do not. .I dont have any degree from a collage. PeonBoss: i have been to many classes, but nothing comp related PeonBoss: i believe the schools are 4-5 years behind the real world and never felt the need PeonBoss: BUt PeonBoss: let me say ths to all you younings PeonBoss: and listen up PeonBoss: enjoy school while you can PeonBoss: life might seem hard,, but trust me its the best you will ever have it Ninewire Gues: (until you get laid) Jesse - Msg Y: :) Ninewire Gues: oops ;-D PeonBoss: valid point PeonBoss: but i was getting laid in 6th gradse PeonBoss: so whats your point?? PeonBoss: hehe Jesse - Msg Y: :) PeonBoss: back then it was much safer than now of course Ninewire Gues: yeah, and own a multi-million dollar dog petting zoo PeonBoss: oh PeonBoss: and by a station wagon as your first car Ninewire Gues: hehe...oh...austin powers times PeonBoss: your frined will give ya crap PeonBoss: but its cheaper than a motel PeonBoss: hehe Jesse - Msg Y: ;0 Jesse - Msg Y: Who really invented the long icon, called LIF by Badmoon and BFI by SSM? PeonBoss: how many ?'s still waiting btw? PeonBoss: burger king Jesse - Msg Y: 19 more Jesse - Msg Y: and they keep comm Jesse - Msg Y: commin Jesse - Msg Y: comming Jesse - Msg Y: :) PeonBoss: no one has ever said otherwise as far as i know Jesse - Msg Y: Tell me when you want to stop PeonBoss: im fine.. PeonBoss: grendel says thanks for feeding my ego is really didnt need the help PeonBoss: hehe Jesse - Msg Y: :) Jesse - Msg Y: Whats the name of the company jack handy owns? PeonBoss: um. i am not gonna say. since it is named after him.. and unlike me jackos name is not public knowledge PeonBoss: hhe PeonBoss: as a side note PeonBoss: jack's real name is not jack PeonBoss: but i have intraduced him to 100's as jack PeonBoss: amkes for some interesting explanations Jesse - Msg Y: Heres an interesting one: Jesse - Msg Y: What is your position on the security of the ssm admin accts? in recent days i have seen many passwords been comprimised. PeonBoss: well god ? PeonBoss: goos? PeonBoss: good ? PeonBoss: take 4 PeonBoss: um. we know who did it PeonBoss: we know how PeonBoss: and dont really care PeonBoss: hehe Jesse - Msg Y: :) PeonBoss: people tend to use the same pw over and over PeonBoss: hold n a sec PeonBoss: argueing with grendel Jesse - Msg Y: :) Jesse - Msg Y: Ok PeonBoss: he refses to log in as a guest PeonBoss: so he is reading over my shoulder and driveing me nuts Jesse - Msg Y: :) Jesse - Msg Y: I can give him an account if he wants PeonBoss: ok.. um who cares? what damage can they do? PeonBoss: lets say they got in and deleted every account Jesse - Msg Y: Msg me Login and pass if he wants it PeonBoss: ohhhhh PeonBoss: ther eno shut him up PeonBoss: there now shut him up PeonBoss: ok where was i Jesse - Msg Y: Done Jesse - Msg Y: :) PeonBoss: if they deleted every account.. i take em out of trash PeonBoss: or.. hehe PeonBoss: i walk to the database comp PeonBoss: and i twill remake em in about 9 mins PeonBoss: point is they cant do much and i just change pw's as nessisary PeonBoss: i have it all loged and could call his isp, and or mom PeonBoss: but its still amusing Jesse - Msg Y: :) PeonBoss: but people dont be suprised PeonBoss: hacking a server and a dos attak is illigal PeonBoss: period. if you dont believe me call you local da Jesse - Msg Y: To bad ISP's dont enforce it. PeonBoss: wronge.. some dont PeonBoss: but as an isp they listen real well when i call Jesse - Msg Y: :) PeonBoss: and a d.a. is a political apointment PeonBoss: or voted apon in someplaces PeonBoss: Papers LOVE stories abut them not prosicuting PeonBoss: its VERY easy to have some one prosicuted..hard part is its usually just a slap on the wrist PeonBoss: but once you have a crim record.. it stays forever and is pub knowledge.. hehe PeonBoss: ask fiend.. Jesse - Msg Y: Do you feel, HONESTLY,without overestimating your importance, that SSM could survive if you were to leave? PeonBoss: yea, but it just wouldnt be the same PeonBoss: I run ssm as a benevolent tyrant PeonBoss: and no one can do that as well as me.. And i have been away many times.. for a month at one point PeonBoss: but SSM admins can handle stuf fby them selves.. you realise how few ssm admin DONT rn there own servers? PeonBoss: ssm is made up of the best people on hl.. and the admins more so PeonBoss: that is why getting admin is so easy Jesse - Msg Y: what about the custom color icon issues. The larger and better looking icons that would inflate the size of the list but make more people want to get the list PeonBoss: well. thats a good ? PeonBoss: and the jury is still out PeonBoss: first off.. how many more people can get it PeonBoss: 500 a week now, and ther earnt that many people on hl at times PeonBoss: 2nd the size PeonBoss: so far i ahvnt seen the size diff. as i say I have been a tad busy PeonBoss: so it was tabled for this month.. but i think i will take a good look for next month PeonBoss: oh an i have been informed a new ssm icon viewer should be out this month too Jesse - Msg Y: OmegaX Comments: about the custom color icon issues. The larger and better looking icons that would inflate the size of the list but make more people want to get the list PeonBoss: um PeonBoss: read up Jesse - Msg Y: And a Guest says: custcol BFIs would inflate normal BFIs from 9 to 11k each Jesse - Msg Y: oh wiat Jesse - Msg Y: :) Jesse - Msg Y: thats not what he sai Jesse - Msg Y: copy didn't work PeonBoss: yea and thats the prob.. we have alot of icons in the list Jesse - Msg Y: Meow Comments: 2k isnt that big a diff, and it would make it look much better. Please seriously consider it. PeonBoss: since we keep them inteligently compiled we are able to keep the list about the same as bm but with 2x the icons Jesse - Msg Y: Omega says: "using the method me and laz developed they would not go over your size limit of 10k, always under" PeonBoss: chill guys.. we will talk on ssm.. Jesse - Msg Y: :) PeonBoss: hehe PeonBoss: harrased by my own admins Jesse - Msg Y: Hahah Jesse - Msg Y: here we go: Guest Comment of the night: Jesse - Msg Y: Bad Moon Is Owned! PeonBoss: hahah PeonBoss: allways has been Jesse - Msg Y: Ok Jesse - Msg Y: Next question Jesse - Msg Y: which admins on ssm do you trust? Jesse - Msg Y: :) PeonBoss: well Jesse - Msg Y: I think there are some SSM admins here tonight PeonBoss: good ? PeonBoss: yea no shit PeonBoss: just a few PeonBoss: sigh PeonBoss: um i dont trust people real well PeonBoss: i am a sneaky bastard and assume others are too PeonBoss: ALLWAYS read a contract i give you VERY carefully Jesse - Msg Y: How do you plan on 'dealing' with badmoon? Obviously vicious slander and libel has gotten you no where, do you have an alternative plan of 'attack'? You can't just deny badmoon's presence, the plethora and spectrum of talent that makes up its loyal user body is reason enough not to. PeonBoss: damn you guys.. cant you go back to ssm? and leave this for guest.. oh sorry PeonBoss: heheh PeonBoss: who really cares about bad moon? Oli - Reprisa: we all do PeonBoss: lord knows i dont. I get pissed at times when they attack us. but we ignored them for well over a year and no one noticed. PeonBoss: i ignore them now.. if people want to be loosers they are going to be PeonBoss: so as i said earlyer its nice they are all in one space PeonBoss: the funnyest think about bad moon PeonBoss: is they talk so tough, yet at macworld ny last year PeonBoss: shaggy ran when he saw us PeonBoss: ther eis so much more to life than careing about dumb bored kids Jesse - Msg Y: Note to guests: Lets tame these questions down a little. If they continue to be this harsh they will not be asked. PeonBoss: hell fiend already lost one job supposedly cause of us.. you think he would learn PeonBoss: but let me put it this way.. PeonBoss: a ssm admin who went and spamed bad moon tonite would loose his ssm admin.. we are a higher order of life PeonBoss: and like leaches, they will allways attack their betters Oli - Reprisa: now thats an answer :) Jesse - Msg Y: Do you ever forsee the badmoon icon list and the ssm icon list being joined to form one really good icon list? PeonBoss: they asked 2-3 times PeonBoss: jr asked PeonBoss: everyone askes PeonBoss: hell no. PeonBoss: the official list is a really good list PeonBoss: and true badmoon has tightend up there act a lot PeonBoss: but remember the bloatware comments earlyer? Jesse - Msg Y: Yep PeonBoss: they apply here too.as i said earler allso.. Badmoon hates hotline PeonBoss: so go away PeonBoss: have fun, write on holidays PeonBoss: enjoy carracho PeonBoss: hehe PeonBoss: never seen a bunch of loosers who hate a program so much they have to spend all day on it PeonBoss: ssm supports hl and allways has PeonBoss: so notice we arnt on carracho PeonBoss: bad moon hates hotline and i have been told kick 1.5 users PeonBoss: so they stay on hl.. I am sure deap down in the dungheap ther eis a good fundimentle explanation for it PeonBoss: but dont ask me Jesse - Msg Y: Are you going to the next MacWorld New York? PeonBoss: well PeonBoss: sigh PeonBoss: since the baby was due that weekend PeonBoss: i had volantered to stay here PeonBoss: hehe Oli - Reprisa: baby? PeonBoss: ok thats a complete lie Oli - Reprisa: heh PeonBoss: i was told i was staying here PeonBoss: and SHE didnt allow discussion on the subject Jesse - Msg Y: :) Oli - Reprisa: i c :) PeonBoss: now.. i dont know PeonBoss: someone has to mind the store. PeonBoss: I loved mwny last year PeonBoss: i love the 1000's of you that came and said hi Gren : cell phone :) PeonBoss: and i enjoyed speaking at the confrences PeonBoss: thats a priv joke btw PeonBoss: at mwny last year i um PeonBoss: got um PeonBoss: really sloshed PeonBoss: and lost a cell phone PeonBoss: somehow.. hehe PeonBoss: anyways Jesse - Msg Y: :) Oli - Reprisa: heh PeonBoss: we had a blast last year and i should go if for nothing else to defend my title PeonBoss: in case you didnt know it. and most dont PeonBoss: not only was i interviewed on cnet worldwide PeonBoss: I also one the cobra world championship PeonBoss: won... PeonBoss: and speaking at the confrences was a highlight of my life PeonBoss: i have been offered a free gold pass and a chance to do an other conference.. but we shall see PeonBoss: as of right now i am not going.. but that might change . we hope Jesse - Msg Y: Heres oen from bad moon admin: Jesse - Msg Y: Question for PB: Jesse - Msg Y: What is your view on your so called claims of being the "Offical" Hotline Icon list? Last I remember JR said that no list would be the offical list, yet you clearly claim that you are. Jesse - Msg Y: Ack Jesse - Msg Y: Sorry Jesse - Msg Y: Not fro mthe admin PeonBoss: an othe rgood ? PeonBoss: opk this is simple Jesse - Msg Y: But answer that one anyway. PeonBoss: jason is a great guy, but if he has one fault PeonBoss: he dosnt/isnt good at telling people to shut the fuck up and stop whining PeonBoss: and since hl is attacked by bm people daily, i boggles my mind. PeonBoss: as of last time we talked we are still the official list. And bad mooon can go pout in the corner.. but again.. the same ? applies PeonBoss: they have hotline so why do they care..man its like a drug, they hate it so much they cant leave. We have a good relationship with jason. And untill we do something against hotlines wishes I dont see it changeing.. um and guys PeonBoss: whats the addres to the icon server.. PeonBoss: whats its email address Jesse - Msg Y: To the BadMooners Here - If you have a problem with somthing stated here tonight, please discuss it at another time with PeonBoss. Thanks PeonBoss: notice.. while i type slowly and carefully so you can undersatand PeonBoss: icons.hlserver.com PeonBoss: do you get the point? Jesse - Msg Y: hi im a badmoon admin i would like to ask peonboss why do you run dumb server with dumb admins, like nascar!, badmoon own3d you long ago, and they will continue to own you and the official list is horrible in quality PeonBoss: sigh.. why do you care? PeonBoss: you hate hl remember? Gren : sigh.. the intellect Jesse - Msg Y: Peon - Please Private chat me PeonBoss: so it shouldnt be a problem Richard Willi: Hehe this has turned into a ssm and bm gang war PeonBoss: yea PeonBoss: except as usually PeonBoss: it cant be a war , casue we didnt come Jesse - Msg Y: Heh, Tell Peonboss we all know why he has the icon domain because he gave Jason Roks a free computer.wow, let the public know that please PeonBoss: um good idea.. wrong facts PeonBoss: we offered at one point to give him a seperate comp so bad moon couldnt crash his dns PeonBoss: but he said no.. we have not given or sold hotline anything. PeonBoss: that simple. Would if they needed it though PeonBoss: same thing as earlyer.. we support hotline.. Jesse - Msg Y: i would like to know where PeonBoss got his handle.. Peons as in WC? So he's the boss of the lowly, unintelligent slaves? Oli - Reprisa: heh PeonBoss: HAHHAHA Ninewire Gues: i love that one... PeonBoss: I have been called this much longer PeonBoss: ok..one of my companies PeonBoss: hires people, um, like bad moon people PeonBoss: peons.. people who are not paid to think, just to do the same thing everyday PeonBoss: true i pay em real well PeonBoss: and they are happy PeonBoss: but they are glorified peopns PeonBoss: and they gave me the name PeonBoss: it was what i was called over the company radio by my emps. PeonBoss: and it stuck.. PeonBoss: I am used to it now, and no longer think about it.. When wc came out so MANY people thought it was from that., Jesse - Msg Y: Why do you always degrade BadMoon? I am not, or wish to be a BadMoon member/admin, but I must admit their icon list quality is superb. They are also innovative, coming out with the BFIs first (yes, the BM admins created it..), the PC Icon list, the PC Icon viewer, and many other achievements. PeonBoss: ohh great ? PeonBoss: ok in parts.. Oli - Reprisa: -=> Ranting Party tonight <=- PeonBoss: Why do you always degrade BadMoon, Dont ignore em.. ths si one of the only times i have mentioned there name in public PeonBoss: I am not, or wish to be a BadMoon member/admin, Good for you.. niether am I PeonBoss: but I must admit their icon list quality is superb.HMM NOpe cant agree with this compltly.. the artistic quality is great (tad morbid) Content is questionable... PeonBoss: They are also innovative, coming out with the BFIs first (yes, the BM admins created it..)False. BK did.. and he was a ssm admin at the time.. Bad moon only started a list after we kicked fiend off, and after he screwed the heck out of the one list he was asked to help on.. And he still hasnt gotten it right PeonBoss: the PC Icon list, the PC Icon viewer, and many other achievements.Icon list the came out with before ssm. HAHAH yep they did. Course we were done and had publisied the release date.. So they made a list with STOLEn tools and released the day before.. we had been working with hl on the pc list for a month before that PeonBoss: as to the pc icon viewer.. yep they did.. we didnt feel the need when people could search on the webpage PeonBoss: and other achivement? like what.. most server crashes in 24 hrs??? Jesse - Msg M: Hey i am a badmoon member and the reason everyone went to badmoon was because you were being a dick that is what i heard and i was just wonderin who what icon list does more peaple have Bad moon or SoSueMe? PeonBoss: heheh wow that makes sence PeonBoss: and i refer you to this chat as an answer... 2 people without icons.. and only 2.. I go to many server.. rarly do i see a bm icon (or dont see). As to me being a dick.. whats your point? ugg concept.. my server my rules Jesse -No Mor: There Jesse -No Mor: what do you think hotline's biggest problem is right now (warez, porn, carracho)? and how can it be fixed? PeonBoss: oh gren says 11:4 ratio of bfi's PeonBoss: well.. i think the porn is an issue PeonBoss: but its not hl's problem PeonBoss: that is like blameing the tree foresters for porn mags PeonBoss: if people want to get rid of porn, start calling isp's Jesse -No Mor: Guest Comment: User sees 7 BM icons PeonBoss: but as gren says.. to contol porn its going to take laws enforceable accross the whole world PeonBoss: dont hold your breath PeonBoss: oh PeonBoss: and guests cant count Jesse -No Mor: adMoon probably would have came out with the PC icon list first if they were supplied with the propietary tools to do so as HLComm did with SSM. PeonBoss: right.. but they wernt because they refused to comply to the rules PeonBoss: its called life PeonBoss: so they stole them. I would be proud PeonBoss: hotline ownes the tools PeonBoss: they can do waht they will withthem PeonBoss: and frankly who cares about badmoon Jesse -No Mor: Guest Comment: fyi...bad moon made their own pc icon tools because hotline's were so fucked up. PeonBoss: fyi thats bullshit and still rad up PeonBoss: who really cares? Jesse -No Mor: Guest Comment: jason roks gave icon tools to shaggy and catalyst PeonBoss: lord knows i dont... PeonBoss: sigh Jesse -No Mor: :) PeonBoss: ok fine we will go through this PeonBoss: when you non discloser agreement PeonBoss: you then get stuff you cant give out PeonBoss: they gave em out PeonBoss: that is why shaggy is not welcome on hl's servers i would think PeonBoss: this is really not hard to under stand.. and not to mention.. let me do this in caps WHO CARES THEY HATE HL SO LEAVE ALREAD Jesse -No Mor: the reason why jason gave shag the tools was to give bad moon a chance to get a list done. bad moon wasnt held under any nda like peon was due to his warez rep. PeonBoss: thats bull. and called propaganda PeonBoss: christ they also say drugs are good for you.. what is yopur point PeonBoss: shaggy sucked up so hard it was funny PeonBoss: till he relised people still thought he was a cluster %*& PeonBoss: anyways enopugh said.. I dont have to speak bad about badmoon they are OHH so good at doing themselves Jesse -No Mor: "How do you feel about the MeshList? It seems to have the same goal as Jack Handy had when he first started...to see all the icons." PeonBoss: yep PeonBoss: and i thought long and hard aboiut it PeonBoss: but i can condone something that goes against the rules hl set for icon lists. PeonBoss: and untill badmoon follows those rules it is still outlaw software PeonBoss: and once again.. they hate hl. so why does it bother them so much that 99% of hl ignores there list? Jesse -No Mor: Guest Comment: I dont recall anyone from BadMoon ever mention they hate Hotline -the application. They just dont like the version of hotline made by HLCOMM without hinkley- 1.5.x PeonBoss: i really wish some of tha artistic talent that is going to waist ther ewas used to benifite all PeonBoss: hello people PeonBoss: sigh PeonBoss: im not even going to bother with this one PeonBoss: id do a ross peroit analogy PeonBoss: but it still would amke way to much sence Jesse - Presi: What are the rules Badmoon is breaking? PeonBoss: that you or a ? Oli - Reprisa: its me PeonBoss: ok Oli - Reprisa: :) PeonBoss: here are the rules... PeonBoss: no icons over 16 high. PeonBoss: no icons under 2600 or overwriting built in icons PeonBoss: hmm think thats about it.. Oli - Reprisa: k PeonBoss: might have been one more PeonBoss: but wait it gets worse PeonBoss: notice in 1.5 which bm hates PeonBoss: there is a moon icon.. OH MY GOD PeonBoss: someone at hotline must like them PeonBoss: oh wait.. I did the icons for 1.5 PeonBoss: silly me Oli - Reprisa: :) PeonBoss: take a look at 2222 sometime PeonBoss: hehe PeonBoss: btw i allso named one after my dog Jesse -No Mor: What would you recommend to young programmers? PeonBoss: well now PeonBoss: first off go to school and learn PeonBoss: paly is fine, but hey reading is good to PeonBoss: no lord knows my punctation and speeling suck PeonBoss: but i am spoiled by someone who fixes it and knows better to give me crap about it PeonBoss: and dont spend all day in front of a comp PeonBoss: if you have the talent you can succed and still have a home life.. PeonBoss: notice.. .i dont have one.. hheheh Jesse -No Mor: :) PeonBoss: all in all id say.. look at the avarages of collage grads PeonBoss: who use there majors PeonBoss: i think its in the 20% range PeonBoss: life evolves, so let it evolve..computers is a fastindustry PeonBoss: what you learn about em today is only groundwork for tommarow PeonBoss: so DONT be to narrow.. learn other skills PeonBoss: i ahve a good friend PeonBoss: how is trying to get a good comp job PeonBoss: and he will eventually, but if it takes awile nbd PeonBoss: cause he is also a chief enginier unlimited tonage PeonBoss: that means he can ship out on a big boat and make more in 3 months than a programer can in a year PeonBoss: so dont get to narrow, if ya love it do it. but for every programer who gets rich PeonBoss: there are a 1000 peopns fliping hamburgers during the day. Oli - Reprisa: from guest: what do you think of the hacking community? PeonBoss: well i love em to a point PeonBoss: hehe first define hacking.. as it was? or is defined now PeonBoss: hackers in the old style cause most of the changes for the beter in apps Oli - Reprisa: hmmm PeonBoss: but destructive hacking is useless PeonBoss: they notiraty they get is nt bankable Jesse - Presi: "SSM just experienced another 'spamming' from BM... - Tre" PeonBoss: hehe Jesse -No Mor: Best Question of the Night: How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? PeonBoss: im not enev loged on... PeonBoss: well PeonBoss: hehe i have aprob with woodchucks PeonBoss: HAHAH Ninewire Gues: a wood chuck would chuck as much wood as a wood chuck could chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood Ninewire Gues: hows that? PeonBoss: funny story Ninewire Gues: yeah im good PeonBoss: mildly related to hotline PeonBoss: when i was getting cable instaled.. I was the first mac they had done PeonBoss: so needless to say they didnt touch any of my comps PeonBoss: so I am instaling enet cards and so forth and one of the guys, who was just hanging around, asked what that big ass gun on the wall was Ninewire Gues: c'mon, no props for guest here? PeonBoss: so i told him it was a 50cal muzzle loader i use to shoot woodchucks PeonBoss: and i swear he is standing at the window and said, what like that one? PeonBoss: so they got to see waht a 50 cal ball does to a woodchuck at 300 yards PeonBoss: and before people freek PeonBoss: 300 yards is a LONG WAY PeonBoss: and a 50 cal ball is 1/2 an inch around PeonBoss: so if the wind is doing 5 knots sidways PeonBoss: it will move it aboy 8 inched PeonBoss: inches PeonBoss: so hiting them is not easy.. PeonBoss: any ways,,, moral is PeonBoss: a 50 cal wil turn most things inside out PeonBoss: hehe Jesse -No Mor: This I-Online Interview has been brought to you, by NineWire Productions, http://www.ninewire.com/ ; hotline://cafe.ninewire.com, home of fast, reliable Internet hosting, inovative web design, and Killer Technical Support. Jesse -No Mor: Thanks to PeonBoss and the Hotline Community. A Transcript of this chat will be posted on our server and on our web site soon. http://i-online.ninewire.com PeonBoss: a big transcritpion Jesse -No Mor: :) PeonBoss: that was wah allmost 3 hrs? Jesse -No Mor: Yep Jesse -No Mor: 3 Hours Jesse -No Mor: Ok Jesse -No Mor: Guests Oli - Reprisa: 3 HOURS!